Buddhism and Meat Eating

Over the past 10 years many people are turning to Budhhism, maybe seeking a deeper meaning to their life's path. We know Buddha teachings of the Dharma denounced the eating of meat and fish. Yet many 'pseudo' Buddha followers whether for spiritual reason, just don't get it. Compassion for ALL life.
Buddha belief in karma tells them "that bad actions have bad consequences". "the eating of meat has negative karmic effects, and that the killing and eating of creatures is tantamount to self-killing.
We know the majority of Buddhists eat dead corpse, and try to argue against this. Take the "leader" of the "western Buddhist movement" Dali Lama, to me a hypocrite! This suppose leader of compassion eats without a second thought all animals served up to him, has never uttered one word of compassion of the non-humans in all his dogma? But plenty of compassion about humans! Why is this?
Hsuan Hua recently uttered such passionate sayings as: "If you really think about it, it is
people eating people". "The grief and hatred brewed up in a pot of meat stew is as deep as
the ocean."
It is said the Bhuddist philosophy has spread about 328,000,000 worldwide, can you wonder how many animals would live if the teachings of Buddha was adhered to, and not commercialise to suit their own teachings.
Just think today how many turkeys, pigs, cows, chickens, sheep would not be slaughtered if at least 328,000,000 people had gone vegan for the day at least !
Shabkar Tsodruk Rangdrol 1781-1851, a Tibetan Yogi strongly discourages eating animals.

People who eat meat often make the excuse that it is natural to do so, that people were meant to eat meat. They promote this idea, and then freely indulge in taking the lives of their fellow creatures, thereby creating extensive hatred and enmity-karma.

Over time, as their killing and consuming becomes a habit, meat eaters no longer feel their killing is unusual. They do their evil deeds unknowingly, unaware of the consequences of slaughter and the resentment it evokes.

Orgyen Trinle Dorje (1985-)

H.H. Orgyen Trinle Dorje, Karmapa XVII*, is vegetarian since a few years. At January 3, 2007, he made a strong statement against eating meat within his monasteries and centers. With immediate effect:

• No meat is to be prepared in the kitchen of any Kagyu Monastery or Centre.
• No one is to be involved in the business of buying and selling meat – for all of his students this practice must stop.
• There is to be no killing of animals on Kagyu premises.
• Karmapa is aware of monks in robes going to buy meat and does not want to see this ever again.

17th Karmapa Orgyen Trinle Dorge gave a talk to 6,000 people in January and offered
explanations of why he did not eat meat or fish. He said he was very distraught over seeing the
slaughter of animals in his home, he became a devout vegetarian. However he did
not condemn meat eaters but gave a positive account of the benefits of vegetarianism. He
made statements such as: "Nothing is more precious than this naturally arising kindness
towards other beings" and quoted two main reasons for not eating meat: "The teachings of
the lord Buddha require that we act with kindness and preserve all life" and "Because of
our connection to his holiness, by improving our conduct we can reduce obstacles to his
life."
Refs wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsuan_hua. drba.org shabkar.org

Another couple of a MLM preying on vegans/raw foodies

I attended a talk recently about the healing power of wholefoods. The talk was about the failed MLM Don Tolman 'Brain Food.' Which since has had a name change and Don Tolman has gone. In Australia they go by the name 'Abundant Garden', same dogma as 'Brain Garden'. Abundant Garden claims that its products contain so much goodness that it can fight away all diseases and you can replace all your medicines with nature’s cures. You can enjoy excellent health and wellness.

However, there is always the monetary kit that these MLM roll out at the end of these talks. We just had Arbonne come and go another MLM. Brain Garden (Abundant Garden) is making money through their multilevel marketing company. Although Abundant Garden markets fresh and natural products, it is simpler and cheaper to get your supply of fresh vegetables and fruits from your local grocery. You need not pay high charges with additional shipping expenses. Abundant Garden seems to be telling and advertising that everyone is lacking in essential nutrients and can gain good health only by using wellness products of Abundant Garden? All this Phi Pi fooey and dragging up ancient historical stories is a load of cobbers. I'm off to the local whole food market to buy some organic fruit and veggies. Keep away from MLM, another American disease.

The Supplement Myth!

I have seen a proliferation of potions, powders, pills and liquid magic supplements adorning wall to wall in healthfood shops and now chemist/pharmacy shops (who are getting in on the act). In Australia this is a multi billion dollar profitable business, yet the people who buy this rubbish still continue to take these supplements and yet are they benefitting from these doses? Vitamin and mineral supplements are robbed of their nutrients by the process they are treated with to get them into the bottles/packets. If you go back to why are you taking these magic bullets, you might get to the root of your problems! If you are consuming processed foods or eating a bad diet, swallowing supplements is NOT going to solve your issue. Processed foods is devoid of natural nutrients, so you should be eating as much as possible natural organic produce, which has the nutrients that you need. Much of the supplements are synthesised with with toxic chemicals such as magnesium stearate or stearic acid, silicon dioxide, metylcellulose, carnauba wax, titanium dioxide and many more concoctions in a laboratory setting under high heat and under centrifugal forces. These vitamins can stimulate a cell's metabolism, but it can not upgrade or replace the cell's component with the superior, 'better' element. Our bodies are NOT chemical factories, the body knows the difference of 'bad denatured' supplements, so many of the fancy supplements like the water-soluble vitamins, are flushed out of the body easily. The fat-soluble vitamins A, D, E and K tend to build up in the body's fat tissues, fat deposits, liver etc. This will cause potentially serious toxic side-effects over a period of time, so its better to eat a more natural organic plant-based diet. Prior to 1990 nobody took vitamin E now millions of people are popping down daily doses. Yet there is NO evidence that vitamin E is an antioxidant, but can cause neurological problems. You cannot reproduce the health benefits of an organic plant-based diet by taking supplements. In order to obtain optimal health, you must maintain a form of holistic healthy physical, mental and emotional living. Reduce stress, exercise daily, sleep well and eat a rich diet of fruit and vegetables, eliminate ALL animal products. Using supplements, potions, powders etc is a waste of dollars, there is no magic bullet, many supplements acts as a false support for your body. So why not spend less on 'potions' and spend the same on good natural fruits and vegetables. Nutritional supplements such as vitamin B is made from petrochemicals! If the label states vitamin B1 (thiamine), vitamin B2 (riboflavin), vitamin B3 (niacin), vitamin B5 (calcium pantothenate) you can be sure this 'junk' nutri-supplements are toxic. So when you next grab effervescent vitamin C, high-dose vitamin E, cranberry capsules, green tea extract, bee vomit, or some other antioxidant pill proven evidence over the past years has shown at best antioxidants supplements do little or nothing to benefit our health.
refs new scientist issue 2563 page 40-43 '06, earthsave '06, seattle times '07

honey (bee vomit)

As an ethical vegan, over the years I have come across many raw fooders and have read in numerous raw food books example Fabulous Living Food Recipes by Paul Benhaim who promotes the use of honey and bee pollen in their recipes. What is natural about stealing bee's food, bit like stealing cow's milk which is for the calf? These 'psuedo' raw foodies are having themselves on. Firstly some facts on honey. Honey (bee vomit) is produced by bees, bees are insects and therefore are animals. HONEY IS NOT VEGAN. Has that sunk in raw foodies who use honey products? There no such thing as 'organic' honey, since when do bees fly to organic flowers and plants and other bees fly to non-organic flowers and plants? Organic honey is a furfy. Queen bees are artifically inseminated with sperm obtained from decapitated bees. The queen bees are slaughtered every two years because over a period of time their egg producing abilities decline (in her natural lifespan she produces half a million eggs, however, as she lives for two years in the factory farm hives she produces 150,000 eggs). So then the hive becomes unproductive and uneconomic. When the human bee stealers smokes the hive and remove the combs many bees are crushed and killed, many lose their legs and wings. The clipping of the queen bees prevent them from swarming (flying off). Bees are also victims of vivisection and in Australia trials are being undertaken to produce a 'stingless' bee for easier handling. Other experiments are conducted in research and development (Macquarie University is one) into colonies that will produce more honey thus making more money. Bees left in their natural environment have 40,000 to 60,000 bees in the swarm and can survive up to 20 years and fly about 800km in their life. In the factory farmed hives the bees live a much lesser life the queen bee up to 2 years! Bee Pollen is the food source for bees yet human steal the pollen from the bees for their own greed. Royal Jelly is the sole source of nourishment for the queen bee, again the human steals this for their own vanity. Venom (sting of the bee) is collected by putting an electrically charge membrane across the entrance to the hive, so when the bees fly into the factory farm hives they receive an electric shock and sting the membrane, thus depositing the venom. This is collected by the bee stealers which is used in 'pseudo' medicine industry. Propolis is a resinous substance produced by the bees to fill the holes, varnish and strengthen the hive, bees also use it as a natural antibiotic, antiviral and antifungal agent, again is stolen by the human bee stealers for medicine and food supplement. If after you have read this and you feel good about eating bee vomit, don't tell yourself you are a vegan/rawfoodie. Alternatives maple syrup, concentrated fruit juices, molasses, golden syrup, stevia, rice syrup, xylitol-plums and dates.

vegan society nsw promoting tortured and dead non-humans

I read on the Vegan Society NSW restaurant page they are promoting Ocean Thai 309 Clovelly Road this place has on its menu liquid meat (cow's milk) and bees vomit (honey). The Vegan Society NSW are again celebrating an evening at Harvest (Rozelle), this place caters for flexitarians and now it seems flexivegans. The people who organise these vegan dinners appear to be ignorant, dumb or just blatantly stupid about eating in places that caters for people who enjoy dining on misery, tortured and then slaughtered animals. Do these flexivegans really think (which I doubt) they are helping the millions of animals who are slaughtered, when they spend their money propping up such places as Harvest. This place should be avoided like the plague, why not dine in and support vegan restaurants? What is so ethical about Harvest? Cheese, cow's milk, organic dead corpse and the by-products of tortured and slaughterd animals. Are you telling me organic cheese is ethical? or organic eggs are ethical? The free-range eggs crush all the male chicks in a huge mincer for chicken stock cubes, and then slaughter the hens when they are no longer laying vegetarian. The organic free-range egg, chicken, pig, sheep, cow and fish, I suppose the ignorant ovo, lacto, pollo flexitarian think these non-human animals are 'humanely' slaughtered? Or the rennet free cheese is more ethical? I have been told by some vegans (are they really ethical?) that "do not upset everyone or you will not get your message across, because everyone has their own opinion, and we should respect that compromising vegetarian?" Or the weak jelly (gelatin free?) vegan who tell me "we don't want to offend anybody, it's really their choice to be flexitarian?"
Something else that I have been saying for years about Peter Singer, many vegetarians who think this person is the "father" of the animal movement. This is one big wank. Donald Watson "father" of the vegan movement who mooted these issues long before Singer walked this planet. Singer promotes what "tortured meat is most humane to eat", whether one should eat 'farmed fish or free ranged (wild ones)' or promotes how to be a 'conscientious carnivore' make sure the animals you consume are not from factory farms and are 'humanely' slaughtered. Come on you animal lovers and "pseudo" flexitarian liberationist, get a real grip on yourselves. This Singer is nonsense. He is a sychophant for the Meat and Live Slaughter. Just because he has a few letters after his name and writes bull dust books, the "pseudo" animal liberationist think the sun shines out from this person rear appendage and go ga ga. If you mute 'animal liberationist' don't know or have not read the rubbish Singer has uttered. In all the years I have heard this person he has not uttered once that veganism is the way to go. I think this quote sums up Singer's ignorance. "If we substitute humans for animals in Singer's reasoning the inherent speciesism of his viewpoint becomes clear. Would we argue that fewer beatings and a longer chain would make slavery acceptable or ethical? Not any more than we should contemplate 'kindly' cutting the throat of an innocent animal to feed our face." To all who love non-animals look at the bigger picture. To think anything less is to put your finger on the trigger of the captive bolt pistol.
Go vegan the animals don;t need your excuses.

my thanks to Patty Mark Animal Liberation (Victoria) the only animal abolitionist group in Australia that actively promotes the abolition of animals are property in their mission statement. my thanks to Coral Hull and Fiona Rees, again who actively promote veganism and the rights of all animals both human and non-human.

Are these orgs vegan and ethical?

I have noticed over the past 5 years a proliferation of 'vegan' products, 'vegan' companies who talk the same mantra about being 'ethical,' 'vegan,' 'compassionate', etc and get this, their products are free of animal-derived ingredients and support the principles (not the vegan principles) of cruelty-free products.
This is absolute rubbish. It is either what is laid down by the tenets of veganism or it ain't. People should stop this veganwash of trying to show they are ethical. Get out of the vegan loop and get honest with yourself. Have a good look at the mirror and see what is reflected back. Does the product you slapped on your body have dead bees legs sticking out of that lippo or that body cream? Let's get one thing straight non-humans encompass all non-human beings. Bees are living beings. Just because it does not moo, bark or make the many other vocal audible sounds of communication they still have feelings. Bees, silk worms and other insects are still not used in vegan food or clothing. I will name and shame UNETHICAL companies and groups. Vegan Action are NOT vegan ethical, Justvegan.com.au promote Paul Benhaim Living Food recipes book (many ingredients have bee(vomit) pollen or raw honey). There is nothing I know that states bee (vomit) products is either vegan or has anything to do with raw food. This is a myth that 'psuedo' raw fooders think they are living a 'compassionate' life. I have stood in front of many raw fooders and they go and on about how some vegans eat cooked food and how they eat raw food (and bee vomit), thinking they are more ethical, but forget they are wearing cow's (leather) skin shoes or wearing sheep skin. Whereas vegans do not wear dead animals.

Dining out in vegetarian places. Ethical?

Is it vegan-ethical dining in restaurants that also serve the by products of dead corpse? Such as eggs and cows milk? Should vegans dine in restaurants to appease their vegetarian friends? The Vegan Society (NSW) Inc that dine (are supporting) the cruelty involved in the cows milk and the by-products of the dairy industry restaurants. If the flexitarians, ova/lacto/pescatarians want to support these cafes of miseries so be it. Why are vegans contributing to these 'vegetarian' cafes? Why not support vegan only places? Why not dine in a pizza hut and have a vegan pizza or dine in McD and have a happy veggie burger? Is this ethical? Have you forgotten What is a vegan? Why a Vegan? I suspect some members have another agenda. Veganism is not one of them. Maybe the cheese and milk come from happy cows? The Vegan Society (NSW) Inc have sat on that slippery slide with Voiceless and Macro and appear to be endorsing free-range dead corpse. This is not what Donald Watson did 60 odd years ago when he disengaged himself from the vegetarian societyUK, fed up with the white lies and the vegan movement came into existence. Now the Vegan Society(NSW) Inc Australia appear to have gotten into the welfare bed with the 'pseudo' vegetarian/vegans. Is this ethical? Many of the vegan members should speak up about the way their committee members taking their society down that slide that you can not get off.

Principles of the Animal Rights Position

The Six Principles of the Animal Rights Position
The animal rights position maintains that all sentient beings, humans or nonhuman, have one right: the basic right not to be treated as the property of others.
Our recognition of the one basic right means that we must abolish, and not merely regulate, institutionalized animal exploitation–because it assumes that animals are the property of humans.
Just as we reject racism, sexism, ageism, and homophobia, we reject speciesism. The species of a sentient being is no more reason to deny the protection of this basic right than race, sex, age, or sexual orientation is a reason to deny membership in the human moral community to other humans.
We recognize that we will not abolish overnight the property status of nonhumans, but we will support only those campaigns and positions that explicitly promote the abolitionist agenda. We will not support positions that call for supposedly “improved” regulation of animal exploitation. We reject any campaign that promotes sexism, racism, homophobia or other forms of discrimination against humans.
We recognize that the most important step that any of us can take toward abolition is to adopt the vegan lifestyle and to educate others about veganism. Veganism is the principle of abolition applied to one’s personal life and the consumption of any meat, fowl, fish, or diary product, or the wearing or use of animal products, is inconsistent with the abolitionist perspective.
We recognize the principle of nonviolence as the guiding principle of the animal rights movement.
Gary L. Francione© 2007 Gary L. Francione

Is the Vegan Society NSW Ethical??

Vegan Ethics is as important as Animal Ethics.
I had noticed the Vegan Society NSW had just held their Cool the Planet expo with sponsorship from Macro! Macro deals in miseries and sells dead corpses. It also sells 'un'conventional food produce as well as 'organic' food produce. The Vegan Societies of US and UK do not accept paid advertising (sponsors) from any companies that deal in miseries. The cruelty practices inherent in farmed animals for food, clothing or any other purposes such as 'organic' dead corpse, including dead fish, eggs, animal milk, honey and their derivatives.
Billions of animals suffer every year for humans greed. So we should not capitalise financially from purveyors of dead meat and dead animal's products such as leather, silk, fur, wool in clothing, upholstery etc. The Vegan Society NSW stated "Bringing conciousness to the table", does that include shopping in Macro and bringing home (un) concious food so we can help our planet bite by bite, or is it choice by choice by the flexitarians or 'pseudo' vegans who do not care for the principles of AHIMSA.